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Allow the Chocolatey Fiddler package

When Telerik first acquired Fiddler, the community was afraid that Fiddler would become a paying tool. Telerik made an important statement: "Further, we have learned from the mistakes of others who have acquired free tools only to turn the tables on the developer community and monetize them at a later date." (source: https://www.telerik.com/about/press-releases/2012/09/10/telerik-announces-the-acquisition-of-fiddler).

Recently, Telerik asked Chocolatey, a widely used Windows package management platform (https://chocolatey.org/) to remove Fiddler from the packages list.

Whatever the reasons are, as a Chocolatey and Fiddler user, I am disappointed by that move. I am managing multiple machines, and Chocolatey helps me synchronize and accelerate new setups. Telerik just asked me to force manual installation of Fiddler, as well as manual upgrade (no, I don't want/need as many auto-update software as I have installed software). I see no value in doing so, except maybe forcing user registration (which is monetizing and breaks their promise) or for some legal reason.

I would kindly ask Telerik to take a stance on what was communicated to the community, and allow Chocolatey to provide an easier way to get your tools installed on more machines.

I'm filing this as a bug, since it was working, and it now is broken for me.

Source: https://chocolatey.org/packages/fiddler4

  • Christian Rondeau
  • Nov 29 2017
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  • Greg Wojan commented
    November 29, 2017 22:28

    I just noticed this today. It's very disappointing indeed! :-(

  • Stephen Pittman commented
    December 4, 2017 20:11

    This sucks.  Protectionism from a dev company never ends well for them.  Bad move.

  • Eddie Groves commented
    December 7, 2017 04:13

    Terrible move!

  • Lee C commented
    December 9, 2017 11:08

    I agree with everything above. If the only reason you are against this is because you want to be able to get users emails then put in a 'first run' popup in the application referenced by chocolatey to request an email. That way you allow people use a package manager like chocolatey as well.

    BUT if you do that make it an optional email address that you can cancel and still use the application otherwise as Christian above says you have broken your promise as to not monetizing the product.

    You might think a cancellable popup would mean a drop in user signup, but atm people can bypass you by just sharing the file they download from you anyway, so even the current 'signup wall' isnt perfect anyway. But at least this way it will get more email addresses and you dont get bad PR for the company.

  • Rock Titovski commented
    December 13, 2017 09:01

    Agree, terrible decision. Will use other tools that are on Choco...

  • Stu Mace commented
    December 14, 2017 05:43

    very disappointing move from Telerik, a company apparently for developers, not providing a reasonable workaround for one of the best devops-friendly windows packagers out there.  Shameful, where I can, I will be taking my business elsewhere, and encouraging others to do the same.

  • John Mitchell commented
    December 21, 2017 22:07

    Pretty horrible, I've been a long time Telerik user (and paid subscriber to the dev ultimate packages).... leaves a nasty taste in my mouth when a company does this. 

  • yyannekk b commented
    December 27, 2017 18:18

    this sucks indeed!

  • Stephen Brouillard commented
    January 4, 2018 13:36

    I have to agree with the above posts. If there is a legitimate reason to hide this package, it would be helpful for Telerik to explain why.

  • dumb move commented
    January 10, 2018 18:17

    Bad move guys. I'll just use another proxy that wants to have its product used by developers.

  • Guest commented
    January 11, 2018 04:20

    Making Fiddler available in more channels such as choco will only help get the Tellerik brand out there MORE, and the e-mails you are going to obtain will just wind up being blocked/unsubscribed later.

    Listen to the community of users and provide choco support.

  • guest commented
    January 24, 2018 22:27

    You're bad and you should feel bad.

  • Mike Hill commented
    February 6, 2018 18:16

    I'm confused by this move. This makes it more difficult to use Fiddler. Why was this done? This is disappointing.

  • Naeem Sarfraz commented
    February 22, 2018 09:35

    Really disappointing move from Telerik and goes against the spirit of the statement they made when they acquired Fiddler. Making it available in package only serves to increase exposure of the company.